Will Baker: Peterson is right. Mgtows , in my experience as an MRA , are to males and MRAism what radical second and third wave feminists were to the WRA movement, in both cases its mostly people who fear mother against and gender shame and are bitter towards and suspicious of the other gender and negatively stereotype them as a class. MRAs and ism needs to reject and dissociate itself from the MGTOWS just like WRAs need to…and some like Sommers and Paglia have…rejected and disasters from gender feminists/feminism. Both extremes need to be called on their sexist hypocrisy and bullshit excuses. Paul, I appreciate what you have done for the MRA cause and sacrifices you’ve made, but your defamatory attack on our ally Sommers and her kind coupled with your support of and excuses for MGTOW(mirroring the excuses of the gender feminists which dissident ones have called out and dissociated from)MGTOW are the male version of what 2nd wave against and dvorkin style feminism was to WRAism. Poison. Wake up Paul, you’re leading the MRA movement off a cliff like gender feminists did to WRAism.
Me: Sommers is your ally, not mine. And in case you didn’t get the memo, I am not leading anything and never have. I am an advocate and social commentator. Not to put too fine a point on it, I don’t owe you or anyone else any allegiance – and sure as fuck don’t owe anyone obedience. If you have a better way to do things, by all means do whatever floats your boat. I promise I won’t show up in your comments and try to back seat drive.
Will Baker: Your being g disengenuous. Like it or not Paul you have become and have positioned yourself as one of the leading MRA spokespeople of the movement. If you don’t see Sommers and Paglia as YOUR allies…fine(you have certainly gone out of your way to try and make them enemies)- but at least about half of MRAs DO consider her/them valuable snd valued allies, and your doping everything you can to alienate not just them but also the many MRAs who are grateful for their allyship. If you are to be one of the main public faces of…leaders of the MRA and to head the most prominent MRA site, you owe them…and your fellow MRAs who disagree with you on this and have expressed so and you have just dismissed us all for doing so or ignored us. You owe an apology, you need to stop also steering AVFM – the leading MRA site down the MGTOW attitude direction, bring the Steinam of the MRA movement and making AVFM into along with MGTOW(which is our version of second to third wave feminism) the future mrm version of N.O.W – which will eventually happen and like feminism corrupted itself so will MRAism with the leadership and hypocrisy of yourself and also of MGTOWS, both becoming a counter-productive to the MRA cause. Wake up! Smell the coffee…smell your own hypocrisy! You have done much good for the MRA movement snd cause till recently, but you’ve corrupted your mandate, your work and sacrifices are appreciated, but unless you turn back this tide and see your errors here and make adjustments to your rhetoric and methods, you will ruin AVFM and the public face of MRM, alter and/or apologize…or give up the throne to someone who will not lead us off this cliff.
I mean you wont even take any of the concerns that many of your subscribed, fellow Mras have or express seriously, you just evade, dismiss, ignore, or even censor or ban in some cases. If you truly care about the movement you’ll stop dismissing our challenges and concerns on these issues. Why wont you extend that courtesy to those who have supported you and the cause even, whom listened and thereby provided you your platform to claim to speak for us?
ME: Jesus, look whose being disingenuous. A few points. How have I “positioned” myself as a leader vs an advocate? When did I ever say a word about Paglia? Since when do I need to change my views based on what half (that is just your conjecture, btw) of what other MRAS (that, also, is your conjecture) have to say? No wait, tell you what. This subject too is worth a video. No need to waste my time here with a detailed response. Besides, there is, as always, a greater lesson here. Its the choice men make to either live comfortably within their own skin, with their own values and beliefs, or to bow to group consensus and other pressures to conform to the will of others.